Wednesday, November 17, 2021

QUORA: ‘Do you think atheism or communism is the most evil ideology of all time?’

 QUORA: ‘Do you think atheism or communism is the most evil ideology of all time?’

I posted the following answer: 


The question is invalid. Atheism is not an ideology. Ideology is a system of abstract ideas. Atheism (in the conventional sense) is not a  system of abstract ideas. Rather, it is merely the absence of belief in a supernatural God. But I’ll play along.


Communism is atheistic only in the conventional religious sense. It rejects the God of the monotheistic religions. But it doesn’t reject the belief in a “higher” being. It embraces it. It simply secularizes God in the form of a collective that possesses its own consciousness that stands above and separate from the individuals that comprise it, just as religion places its God above and separate from human individuals. This collective, the “community” or society as a whole, is the higher power whose general will is embodied in the state, just as God’s will is embodied in the church (or synagogue or mosque). In Communism's version, the state is in the role of the church, and somehow is able to decipher the will of the collective, and then to impose that will at the point of a gun (there is no other way to impose a collective will).


Of course, the collective doesn’t exist in reality. What exists are individual human beings. The “community” or “society” is an abstraction that, in proper usage, stands for a number of individuals living in a particular geographical region and/or living under a particular legal system. But Communism embodies the idea that the collective stands above and separate from its individual components, who are mere cells in the larger collective organism, and that possesses values and interests and a will that supersedes and are separate from the individuals’ values, interests, and will.


Of course, this cannot be true. The community has no brain or consciousness. It is not an entity. It can’t think, feel, value, or choose. Only actual individuals can do that. Enter the state. Somehow, state officials—holding to the faith of a community “consciousness”—just “knows” what the community thinks, feels, values, or chooses how to act. This is the basis upon which the state acts on what it claims is the community’s good, irregardless of what any of its individual citizens desire. The thoughts, feelings, values, choices, and rights of any particular individuals are irrelevant to the community’s supreme will. This justifies the state’s imposition of communism’s collective moral vision of how the community functions. Being supreme over its individual “cells”, the community is embodied in the state apparatus. The state’s officials or ruling elites consider themselves morally justified to sacrifice any individual’s (or faction of individual’s) interests, wealth, or very lives for the good of the community. This belief system can manifest in no other way.*


Communism, then, rejects the monotheistic God of Christianity or Islam or Judaism. But it does not reject the mystical belief of religion in a higher being. In this broader sense, Communism is not atheistic. It simply secularizes religion’s mysticism, substituting religion’s God with the  Community.** 


Mysticism is the common base of Communism  and religion. A genuine atheist doesn’t believe in any being or deity higher than man. 


To play along, as I said I would do at the outset, let’s reimagine the question. If the question where “Do you think religion or communism is the most evil ideology of all time?”, I would have to say Communism. If the standard is the sheer scale of raw brutality, I would have to say Communism is the most evil. Theocracy, the unity of church and state—which, like communism, also embodies the will of its deity—comes in second place on the scale of brutality.


* [This is why, by its very nature, Communism must inevitably descend into tyranny, poverty, slavery, and murder. Soviet Russia, Red China, Cuba, North Korea, et al, were not aberrations. They were the unavoidable result communist ideology.]


** [Fascism, the other major form of socialism***, also secularizes’s religion’s mysticism. Nazism’s supreme collective is the race. Italian fascism deifies society as a whole. Marxian Communism, for its part, deifies “the proletariat”, or “workers”. 


*** [See my answer to Quora: “Is fascism a capitalist ideology?"]



Related Reading:


QUORA *: ‘Why do people find communism so terrifying as an idea?’


Nazism, Communism, Atheism, and the Enlightenment


Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice—Craig Biddle


Related Viewing:


Christianity: Good or Bad for Mankind? —A Debate with Dinesh D'Souza vs. Andrew Bernstein


Yaron Brook Answers: Communism vs. Atheism


3 comments:

Mike Kevitt said...

Fer now, I just say, since when is atheism even an ideology? It can only be part of an ideology. It doesn't get to metaphysical fundamentals the way an ideology does. An ideology can say why one is or isn't an atheist.

Communism is an ideology. It rejects theism based on the senses, but then it denies the senses, too, and its ethics takes atheism in the most evil direction. Communism denies everything, human life and the existence of existence, leaving dying and death, and non-existence, coated with an amorphic, miasmic, chaotic flux of nothing with a sugar coating to suck you in. I think that's as evil as evil can be, except maybe Islam.

Let's look to an atheism based on the senses, with the senses accepted axiomatically, going to the ethics from reason, egoism, and on to human action, and human relations from unalienable individual rights. That's the way of human life.

Mike Kevitt said...

I have cast atheism in a different ideology which I have only described in extremely brief terms, and haven't named it. I can name it, with a common one word, and correct, name everybody has heard, but I won't. The public confusion about that term must be straightened out, first. That, in turn, requires straightening out the public confusion of terms I've already used in my extremely brief description here. Due to that confusion my extremely brief description leaves everybody dangling as to what I'm talking about.

It has to start at the beginning, as if there is not yet any such thing as human knowledge, like 50,000 years ago, literally. The human consciousness, choice, thought, words, language, concepts, knowledge, everything, must be redone. That's how thoroughly destroyed everybody's heads are now.

For the Homo-sapien (sp?), there must be a whole new world. A brief comment here or anywhere, is nothing. But, this time around, things can be brought up to par in a generation or two, not 50,000 years, with some ass kicking on the way, responsive, not initiatory, because there WILL be initiatory force resistance on the way. The ass kicking will be legitimate, just, moral AND legal, and necessary. I won't say what my part will be, or if I'll even have a part. Chances are, I'll just watch it from an arm chair, or I'll be dead. I doubt I'll be dead.

Mike Kevitt said...

This posting's description of atheism is better than mine. It's concept of atheism is, properly, narrower than mine. The closest I came to it is basing atheism on the axiomatically accepted validity of the senses.