tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5495065931245897039.post3880139880075448210..comments2024-02-27T15:47:47.923-05:00Comments on Principled Perspectives: Single-Payer Healthcare: ‘Wouldn’t it be Nice’principled perspectiveshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06502754865268315342noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5495065931245897039.post-39040591506467426202016-10-23T23:18:44.126-04:002016-10-23T23:18:44.126-04:00I've distinguished between initiatory force an...I've distinguished between initiatory force and defensive force, here. Freedom is responsive(defensive, or retaliatory)force against initiatory force, then, freedom is the absence of force, thus, the unimpeded freedom to act as response continues without stopping, against initiation which never stops, in other words, as law and government continues.<br /><br />Maybe freedom can't be forced on anyone, but we, by law and government, can leave 'em free, on their own, as we leave US on our own(if we have law and gvt., which we don't have, now). If they seek something else, they seek crime. If they get it and DO it, they're crooks, subject to fine and/or incarceration by law and gvt. Then, we DO IT to them. That's the ideal you say can't be forced on anyone. It can be forced on everyone, as we did, for awhile, after 1776, beginning to end about 1880.<br /><br />Government by law, strictly defined, leaves everyone free, but forces no one to be free. Whoever chooses enslavement, gets it for himself, by law and government, in jail. So, we're moral, and Smith ain't, no equal moral footing.Mike Kevitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09725778137382703642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5495065931245897039.post-36441646766877100202016-10-22T15:22:17.617-04:002016-10-22T15:22:17.617-04:00It's important to distinguish between initiato...It's important to distinguish between initiatory (or aggressive) force and defensive force. Freedom is the absence of force, except in response to intiatory force. I don't think you can characterized freedom as an ideal to be forced on anyone. Otherwise, Smith is on equal moral footing with supporters of a fully free society.principled perspectiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502754865268315342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5495065931245897039.post-78037597934642288482016-10-22T13:24:15.314-04:002016-10-22T13:24:15.314-04:00In all seriousness, my ideal is to have individual...In all seriousness, my ideal is to have individual rights enforced under law, without exception, with government as the hired gun, under law. And seriously, it's nice to know we have the moral right to force THIS ideal onto everybody. Then, within that realm, the realm of individual rights, everybody is free to make their own choices, and the majority even has the right to rule. I seriously think we have the moral right to force this, but only this, ideal onto everybody.Mike Kevittnoreply@blogger.com